<p>Tyler and Jena discuss the struggle of combat sports. &nbsp;Tyler wants to know if being a magician or a wizard is better.</p>

Not Fighting - Horse Stress (excuse the sound)

Tyler and Jena Bishop host the Not Fighting podcast, a deep dive into the world of grappling, Jiu Jitsu, and MMA filled with off-topic commentary and conversation from one of the most accomplished and well-known couples in professional grappling. Tyler and Jena Bishop bring over 25 years of grappling and combat sports experience to a show about more than just fighting. Join them as they discuss everything from relationships to the arguments often experienced on the mats after a hard practice.