In today's show and under the spell of Nic Cage's "The Surfer", Chas and David survey the pros and cons of localism, how does a society best protect a local resource, is violence ever justifiable, can over crowding and over population ever be reversed, are we all living through a fever dream, and is it  virtuous to never leave your childhood playground? Enjoy!

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