This week Grant and Zoe have something special cooked up, a crossover with the cyber.rar podcast. They speak with two of the co-hosts Bethan Saunders and Michaela Lee about their experience podcasting and the state of cyber policy before the tables are turned and Grant and Zoe and put on the spot.

In our all podcast final segment, Zoe recommends Scam Goddess, Bethan talks up Cyber Unmanned, Michaela highlights Iron Butterfly, and Grant shares his love for Slate's Spoiler Special.

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