This week Grant and Zoe break format and bring on two guests Mira Rapp-Hooper, Director of Indo-Pacific strategy at the National Security Council, and Richard Fontaine, Chief Executive Officer of the Center for a New American Security.  Mira and Richard talk about mentorship and how it shapes both personal and professional lives.  They also talk about co-authoring a piece for the National Interest about how China see's its role in the world, Richard recent piece in Foreign Affairs on the lack of a China strategy in Washington, and the Biden Administration's larger Indo-Pacific strategy.

In our final segment, Zoe talks about the recent acquisition of Activision-Blizzard by Microsoft, Richard argues that the Saints should still be considered the best team in the NFL, Grant discusses Taiwanese largess, and Mira recommends a few books:

• The Lincoln Highway by Amor Towles
• Great Circle by Maggie Shipstead
• Silverview by John le Carré

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