This episode features an interview with Dr. C. Anne Claus, author of Drawing the Sea Near: Satoumi and Coral Reef Conservation in Okinawa (University of Minnesota Press, 2020). In our talk, we discuss the role of the sea in Environmental Anthropology and how Dr. Claus’ fieldwork in Shiraho on the Okinawa island of Ishigaki turned into a book about conceptual changes in the practice of conservation.