First there was DevOps, then SecOps, then DevSecOps. Or should that be SecDevOps? Paul Ducklin talks to Sophos X-Ops insider Matt Holdcroft about how to get all your corporate "Ops" teams working together, with cybersecurity correctness as a guiding light.With Paul Ducklin and Matt Holdcroft.Original music by Edith Mudge (https://www.edithmudge.com)Got questions/suggestions/stories to share?Email: [email protected]Twitter: NakedSecurity (https://twitter.com/nakedsecurity)