the finalefinallytake care of yourselvesas promised, the links to the podcasts I talked about (I called the podcast npr, but it's radiolab, which at the time, maybe still, can' tell, was an npr podcast)Mau Mau - https://radiolab.org/podcast/mau-mauCut and Run - https://radiolab.org/podcast/runnersOutside Westgate - https://radiolab.org/podcast/outside-westgate