In this conversation, Carol speaks with Inverse Podcast's Drew Hart and Jarrod McKenna on "good trouble"; what it looks like to be co-conspirators in pursuit of justice, as well as how churches, communities, academia, and organizations can embody justice.

Follow Drew Hart on [Instagram](http://instagram.com/druhart) and [Twitter](http://twitter.com/druhart) @druhart.

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Follow Inverse Podcast on [Twitter](https://twitter.com/inversepodcast) and [Instagram](https://www.instagram.com/inversepodcast) @inversepodcast.

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