This episode explores the unseen side of entrepreneurship through a conversation with Claudio Vilas, a business broker and advisor working closely with founders during business exits.Key themes include:<ul><li>The psychological pressure of being a business owner</li><li>What founders risk that most people never see</li><li>The emotional complexity of selling a company</li><li>How identity shifts after major transitions</li><li>Why legacy becomes more important over time</li></ul>This episode is for founders, entrepreneurs, and leaders navigating growth, burnout, or transition.It’s especially relevant for those considering selling their business or questioning what they’re building—and why.

The Messy Middle of Building

33 Conversations Podcast helps mission-driven founders, creators, and leaders in transition turn honest conversation into visible authority.Each episode goes beneath the polished bio, pitch, or success story to reveal the real person behind the work: the tensions they are navigating, the identity shifts shaping their leadership, and the deeper signal behind what they are building.This is not performance-driven thought leadership. It is authority built through clarity, presence, and truth.For listeners, it is a window into the messy middle of meaningful work. For guests, it is a conversation that helps people understand who they are, what they stand for, and why their work matters now.