In this episode, Logan Draper and Jared Vann talk about marketers' relationship with numbers and the thing that's more important than numbers.

MMM 78: Caring For People While Leading Multiple Businesses (With Danny Martinez)

Modern Mad Men is an unedited and uncut podcast produced by DesignWorks Group in Wichita Falls, TX. Each episode, Logan Draper and Jared Vann dive into the minds of business owners, entrepreneurs, thought leaders, dreamers, creators, and marketers to discuss failures, breakthroughs, leadership, and how to put yourself or your business in a place to succeed now and in the future.