Max is joined by MOCA Director Shivani Mitra, and by crypto artist Earthsample, to dig under the nails of AI: AI culturally, AI as it relates to crypto art, AI as a paradigm shift that might, yes, push society forward into something security-seeking, but might instead encourage it away from technology altogether. Near the end of this pod, the conversation turns to Milady NFTs and, naturally, devolves into chaos. This is a fun one.