In one of the first episodes ever recorded for this show, Mason Hershenow talks to artist and model Diana Oliphant about the institutions that rule the art world, the educations we're expected to have, and who decides what does and does not qualify as fine art.

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Meaning What is a product of it's no sam studios Hosted, produced, and edited by Mason Hershenow Additional production by Sean Ang

Theme music "January: Brief" by Mason Hershenow