Listen in as Kate and Haje indulge in our second, hosts-only conversation of the season. This time, Kate interviews Haje and we learn more about how his mind, highly active and imaginative, has brought him on a somewhat eclectic journey of passion, creativity and self-discovery.

When he's not hosting the HAI podcast, Haje helps startups tell their stories - see haje.me or @Haje on Twitter.