Kathleen (@kathleenwriting) and Dee (@phdee_vay) chat to Ashley Whitfield, founder of the Johannesburg Family Gathering and the Johannesburg Family Co-operative (@johannesburgfamilycooperative). They connected on the crucial need for community when mothering and what it means to actually do the work of care. The conversation also touches on how notions of success (and failure) can change through parenting and the need to adopt a non-linear and non traditional approach as one navigates oneself and family.