Kyle Santos joined me in a great conversation on various issues and a focus on something that we in the corporate responsibility space often get wrong - celebrating small wins. Hi rightly points out that given the gravity of what we seek to address, climate change, inequality, ecosystem restoration...small steps often feel not worth celebrating. This is likely to get worse as a result of the ESG backlash and companies going quiet on their progress. 

We also touched on measuring versus doing, interesting tensions in the space, and much more. 

I am so grateful to Kyle and all my other guests for taking the time to share their insights!