Jessica is joined by Dr. Deb Burgard, a psychologist and one of the co-founders of the Health at Every Size approach. The two of them talk about Jessica's recent keynote presentation in which she discussed an ad for an eating disorder treatment center. She was not expecting the backlash she received. Deb and Jessica are often labeled as people who are divisive, or being mean to people in the eating disorder establishment. Listen in to hear about a time that someone fainted after they disrupted a conference, and why Jessica still has hope.

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