We had an interesting chat with Jacob covering topics such as celebrity, beards, art, and the structure of the UK education system. There's stuff about making too.

A long list of most of the people and things we mentioned, with links to where they can be found, is in the description of the YouTube video for this episode: https://youtu.be/N51FbLmFeuo

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