Kelsey and Al are joined by Katie Mai, Philly-based artist. They discuss Katie's career, finances, time management, and working with brands.

How to Avoid Making BORING Art Vlogs

MADS (Make Art Don't Starve) is the lovechild of Al & Kelsey -- two friends and fellow art youtubers that love to chat about being artists, building creative careers, and the nitty gritty details of content creation.