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Steven D Grumbine
Ep 347 - Libertarianism vs. Reality with Brett Scott
56 minutes Posted Sep 27, 2025 at 11:30 am.
Exploring Libertarianism and Its Variants
Exploring Libertarianism and Anarchism
Exploring Libertarianism in Different Cultures
The Political Dimensions of Libertarianism
The Role of the State in Capitalism and Libertarianism
Understanding the State and Class Relationships
The Illusion of Mobility in Capitalism
The Illusion of Independence in Economic Thought
The Political Use of Libertarianism
Exploring Libertarian Influence on Economic Thought
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Economic anthropologist Brett Scott, the author of Cloud Money, talks with Steve about libertarianism’s big lie. Or lies – plural.

From a class perspective, libertarianism is largely an ideological tool that protects elite power by promoting a false narrative of individualism and "free" markets. It serves as a smokescreen, concealing the mechanisms of power in a class society. What worse, it’s presented as neutral. As if all citizens are on an equal playing field. Market transactions replace the natural interdependence at the core of societies. 

Brett and Steve look at leftwing alternatives, including the potential of mutual credit systems and alternative economies as counter-narratives to mainstream economic structures.  

They also discuss libertarians' obsession with commodity money (like gold), which stems directly from their flawed view of society. They see money as a neutral tool for trade between independent agents. In reality, modern money is a credit system—a network of social promises and debts that reflects power dynamics. 

Brett Scott is an author, journalist, and activist, who explores the intersections between money systems, finance, and digital technology. He’s the author of The Heretics Guide to Global Finance: Hacking the Future of Money. His latest book is Cloudmoney: Cash, Cards, Crypto, and the War for Our Wallets. Find more of his work at https://alteredstatesof.money/ or on Substack.

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