What does it take to build a career shaped by deep listening, quiet confidence, and the courage to lead without losing yourself in the process?In this episode of LytePOD, host Sam Koerbel sits down with Teal Brogden, co-leader of HLB Lighting Design, one of the world's most influential architectural lighting design firms, to unpack what it really means to lead with empathy, curiosity, and panache. Teal reveals why listening with empathy is the foundation of great design, why presence matters more than perfection, and why the best measure of success isn't the rendering or the award—it's the window washer who feels honored to work on a building because it means something to the community. She walks through the art of asking the right questions, the courage it takes to say yes to adventure while staying grounded in technical rigor, and why collaboration isn't just working together—it's creating space for others to shine and trusting that what you give out is what you get back.💡 Key topics explored:• Why deep listening and empathy are the foundation of every great design decision—and how presence shapes outcomes• The importance of letting people try, fail, and learn—and why trust creates better leaders than protection ever could• How early mentors like Paul Moranse and Barbara Horton shaped Teal's philosophy—and why playfulness and mystery create space for collaboration• Why people are the biggest asset of any design firm—and how human connection fuels creativity, problem-solving, and emotional resonance• The window washer story that reminds us why architecture matters—and why the most meaningful validation comes from people experiencing the space• What Teal would tell her 24-year-old self: trust yourself, go for it, you got thisWhether you're a designer wondering how to lead with confidence without arrogance, a young professional trying to figure out what comes next, or anyone curious about what it takes to build a career rooted in empathy, curiosity, and the courage to show up—this conversation offers a rare, honest look at the instincts, values, and human connections that shape a life in design.Listen now to discover why great leadership isn't about having all the answers—it's about listening deeply, trusting yourself, and creating space for others to thrive.❤️ Big appreciation for the partners who support this work and trust the vision. They believe in thoughtful conversations, strong community, and letting designers' voices lead. Grateful to build this together.1️⃣ Mark Lighting - https://watch.lytei.com/mark2️⃣ Kelvix - https://watch.lytei.com/Kelvix3️⃣ LEDflex - https://watch.lytei.com/LEDFLEX4️⃣ Diode LED - https://watch.lytei.com/diode5️⃣ Targetti USA - https://bit.ly/targettiusaChapters