ESPN's Adrian Wojnarowski drops a bombshell report on Michael Jordan's talks to sell a significant part of his majority stake in the team. Is it shocking? Were there signs? What's the upside? What's the risk that they move the franchise? We try to make sense of it all. Follow & Subscribe to the Locked On Hornets Podcast on these platforms  🎧 Apple https://bit.ly/lohapple  🎧 Spotify https://bit.ly/lohspotify  🎧 Audacy https://bit.ly/lohaudacy  🎧 Stitcher https://bit.ly/lohstitcher  🎧 Amazon https://bit.ly/lohamazon  📲 Follow Locked On Hornets on Twitter Locked On Hornets https://twitter.com/LockedOnHornets Walker Mehl https://twitter.com/WalkerMehl Doug Branson https://twitter.com/DougBransonLOH  📺 Follow Locked On NBA: https://linktr.ee/lockedonnba  Get Doug's gamenotes, special articles and a podcast on Hornets history at the Every Hornets Boxscore substack: everyhornetsboxscore.com  📢 Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors! | Offers from our sponsors: lockedonpodcasts.com/offers Built Bar Built Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKEDON15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order. PrizePicks First time users can receive a 100% instant deposit match up to $100 with promo code LOCKEDON. That’s PrizePicks.com – promo code; LOCKEDON LinkedIn LinkedIn Jobs helps you find the qualified candidates you want to talk to, faster. Post your job for free at LinkedIn.com/LOCKEDONNBA FanDuel Make Every Moment More. Place your first FIVE DOLLAR bet to get ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS in Free Bets – win or lose! Visit Fanduel.com/LockedOn today to get started FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) #Hornets #LaMelo #LaMeloBall #CharlotteHornets #NBA #MichaelJordan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Charlotte Hornets only have 11 games left to go in the season. What's the journey been like for someone who covers the team? Nick Carboni of WCNC made his weekly appearance to discuss this season. Finally, Walker and Doug discuss Ja Morant's suspension and what we might be able to draw from that decision. How does that suspension affect Miles Bridges? Follow & Subscribe to the Locked On Hornets Podcast on these platforms  🎧 Apple https://bit.ly/lohapple  🎧 Spotify https://bit.ly/lohspotify  🎧 Audacy https://bit.ly/lohaudacy  🎧 Stitcher https://bit.ly/lohstitcher  🎧 Amazon https://bit.ly/lohamazon  📲 Follow Locked On Hornets on Twitter Locked On Hornets https://twitter.com/LockedOnHornets Walker Mehl https://twitter.com/WalkerMehl Doug Branson https://twitter.com/DougBransonLOH  📺 Follow Locked On NBA: https://linktr.ee/lockedonnba  Get Doug's gamenotes, special articles and a podcast on Hornets history at the Every Hornets Boxscore substack: everyhornetsboxscore.com  📢 Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors! | Offers from our sponsors: lockedonpodcasts.com/offers Built Bar Built Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKEDON15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order. PrizePicks First time users can receive a 100% instant deposit match up to $100 with promo code LOCKEDON. That’s PrizePicks.com – promo code; LOCKEDON LinkedIn LinkedIn Jobs helps you find the qualified candidates you want to talk to, faster. Post your job for free at LinkedIn.com/LOCKEDONNBA FanDuel Make Every Moment More. Place your first FIVE DOLLAR bet to get ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS in Free Bets – win or lose! Visit Fanduel.com/LockedOn today to get started FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) #Hornets #LaMelo #LaMeloBall #CharlotteHornets #NBA #MichaelJordan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Why is the rest of the season so important? Walker and Doug discuss the homestretch and why it's beneficial for guys like Kai Jones. Steve Clifford had high praise for JT Thor after the game and predicted he could be a starter in this league. Finally, the guys discuss the chance that Brandon Miller gets taken 2nd overall instead of Scoot Henderson. What do you think? Follow & Subscribe to the Locked On Hornets Podcast on these platforms  🎧 Apple https://bit.ly/lohapple  🎧 Spotify https://bit.ly/lohspotify  🎧 Audacy https://bit.ly/lohaudacy  🎧 Stitcher https://bit.ly/lohstitcher  🎧 Amazon https://bit.ly/lohamazon  📲 Follow Locked On Hornets on Twitter Locked On Hornets https://twitter.com/LockedOnHornets Walker Mehl https://twitter.com/WalkerMehl Doug Branson https://twitter.com/DougBransonLOH  📺 Follow Locked On NBA: https://linktr.ee/lockedonnba  Get Doug's gamenotes, special articles and a podcast on Hornets history at the Every Hornets Boxscore substack: everyhornetsboxscore.com  📢 Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors! | Offers from our sponsors: lockedonpodcasts.com/offers Built Bar Built Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKEDON15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order. PrizePicks First time users can receive a 100% instant deposit match up to $100 with promo code LOCKEDON. That’s PrizePicks.com – promo code; LOCKEDON LinkedIn LinkedIn Jobs helps you find the qualified candidates you want to talk to, faster. Post your job for free at LinkedIn.com/LOCKEDONNBA FanDuel Make Every Moment More. Place your first FIVE DOLLAR bet to get ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS in Free Bets – win or lose! Visit Fanduel.com/LockedOn today to get started FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) #Hornets #LaMelo #LaMeloBall #CharlotteHornets #NBA #MichaelJordan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Who are some of the ACC prospects Charlotte should be paying attention to? David Walker makes his weekly appearance to discuss some of the guys he'll keep an eye on during the NCAA Tournament. Is Scoot Henderson still widely considered the number 2 overall pick? Follow & Subscribe to the Locked On Hornets Podcast on these platforms  🎧 Apple https://bit.ly/lohapple  🎧 Spotify https://bit.ly/lohspotify  🎧 Audacy https://bit.ly/lohaudacy  🎧 Stitcher https://bit.ly/lohstitcher  🎧 Amazon https://bit.ly/lohamazon  📲 Follow Locked On Hornets on Twitter Locked On Hornets https://twitter.com/LockedOnHornets Walker Mehl https://twitter.com/WalkerMehl Doug Branson https://twitter.com/DougBransonLOH  📺 Follow Locked On NBA: https://linktr.ee/lockedonnba  Get Doug's gamenotes, special articles and a podcast on Hornets history at the Every Hornets Boxscore substack: everyhornetsboxscore.com  📢 Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors! | Offers from our sponsors: lockedonpodcasts.com/offers Built Bar Built Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKEDON15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order. PrizePicks First time users can receive a 100% instant deposit match up to $100 with promo code LOCKEDON. That’s PrizePicks.com – promo code; LOCKEDON LinkedIn LinkedIn Jobs helps you find the qualified candidates you want to talk to, faster. Post your job for free at LinkedIn.com/LOCKEDONNBA FanDuel Make Every Moment More. Place your first FIVE DOLLAR bet to get ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS in Free Bets – win or lose! Visit Fanduel.com/LockedOn today to get started FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Charlotte Hornets go winless over the weekend with Mark Williams still rehabbing from a sprained right thumb. How did they look at center? With the Carolina Panthers trading up to the number one overall selection in the NFL draft, the guys take a look at how many times that's happened in NBA history. Is it even possible for Victor Wembanyama? Follow & Subscribe to the Locked On Hornets Podcast on these platforms  🎧 Apple https://bit.ly/lohapple  🎧 Spotify https://bit.ly/lohspotify  🎧 Audacy https://bit.ly/lohaudacy  🎧 Stitcher https://bit.ly/lohstitcher  🎧 Amazon https://bit.ly/lohamazon  📲 Follow Locked On Hornets on Twitter Locked On Hornets https://twitter.com/LockedOnHornets Walker Mehl https://twitter.com/WalkerMehl Doug Branson https://twitter.com/DougBransonLOH  📺 Follow Locked On NBA: https://linktr.ee/lockedonnba  Get Doug's gamenotes, special articles and a podcast on Hornets history at the Every Hornets Boxscore substack: everyhornetsboxscore.com  📢 Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors! | Offers from our sponsors: lockedonpodcasts.com/offers Built Bar Built Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKEDON15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order. PrizePicks First time users can receive a 100% instant deposit match up to $100 with promo code LOCKEDON. That’s PrizePicks.com – promo code; LOCKEDON LinkedIn LinkedIn Jobs helps you find the qualified candidates you want to talk to, faster. Post your job for free at LinkedIn.com/LOCKEDONNBA FanDuel Make Every Moment More. Place your first FIVE DOLLAR bet to get ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS in Free Bets – win or lose! Visit Fanduel.com/LockedOn today to get started FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) #Hornets #LaMelo #LaMeloBall #CharlotteHornets #NBA #MichaelJordan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Another game against the Detroit PIstons, another injury to a Charlotte Hornets player that fans are excited about. This time it's Mark Williams. We discuss the injury and who to expect to step up if he has to miss significant time. We're diving deeper into our NBA Draft scouting as college basketball's madness nears. Follow & Subscribe to the Locked On Hornets Podcast on these platforms  🎧 Apple https://bit.ly/lohapple  🎧 Spotify https://bit.ly/lohspotify  🎧 Audacy https://bit.ly/lohaudacy  🎧 Stitcher https://bit.ly/lohstitcher  🎧 Amazon https://bit.ly/lohamazon  📲 Follow Locked On Hornets on Twitter Locked On Hornets https://twitter.com/LockedOnHornets Walker Mehl https://twitter.com/WalkerMehl Doug Branson https://twitter.com/DougBransonLOH  📺 Follow Locked On NBA: https://linktr.ee/lockedonnba  Get Doug's gamenotes, special articles and a podcast on Hornets history at the Every Hornets Boxscore substack: everyhornetsboxscore.com  📢 Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors! | Offers from our sponsors: lockedonpodcasts.com/offers Built Bar Built Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKEDON15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order. PrizePicks First time users can receive a 100% instant deposit match up to $100 with promo code LOCKEDON. That’s PrizePicks.com – promo code; LOCKEDON LinkedIn LinkedIn Jobs helps you find the qualified candidates you want to talk to, faster. Post your job for free at LinkedIn.com/LOCKEDONNBA FanDuel Make Every Moment More. Place your first FIVE DOLLAR bet to get ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS in Free Bets – win or lose! Visit Fanduel.com/LockedOn today to get started FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) #Hornets #LaMelo #LaMeloBall #CharlotteHornets #NBA #MichaelJordan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Are the Charlotte Hornets the least desirable destination for Victor Wembanyama? Any young star? Walker and Doug question the national perception of the Charlotte Hornets and whether it's fair. Mark Williams moves up the rookie ladder past a former draft hopeful for Charlotte fans. Then the guys look at, yes, another mock draft. Follow & Subscribe to the Locked On Hornets Podcast on these platforms  🎧 Apple https://bit.ly/lohapple  🎧 Spotify https://bit.ly/lohspotify  🎧 Audacy https://bit.ly/lohaudacy  🎧 Stitcher https://bit.ly/lohstitcher  🎧 Amazon https://bit.ly/lohamazon  📲 Follow Locked On Hornets on Twitter Locked On Hornets https://twitter.com/LockedOnHornets Walker Mehl https://twitter.com/WalkerMehl Doug Branson https://twitter.com/DougBransonLOH  📺 Follow Locked On NBA: https://linktr.ee/lockedonnba  Get Doug's gamenotes, special articles and a podcast on Hornets history at the Every Hornets Boxscore substack: everyhornetsboxscore.com  📢 Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors! | Offers from our sponsors: lockedonpodcasts.com/offers Built Bar Built Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKEDON15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order. PrizePicks First time users can receive a 100% instant deposit match up to $100 with promo code LOCKEDON. That’s PrizePicks.com – promo code; LOCKEDON LinkedIn LinkedIn Jobs helps you find the qualified candidates you want to talk to, faster. Post your job for free at LinkedIn.com/LOCKEDONNBA FanDuel Make Every Moment More. Place your first FIVE DOLLAR bet to get ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS in Free Bets – win or lose! Visit Fanduel.com/LockedOn today to get started FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) #Hornets #LaMelo #LaMeloBall #CharlotteHornets #NBA #MichaelJordan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

Locked On Hornets opens up the draft discussion as they take a look at Charlotte's needs during the selection process. Who are the players worth mentioning outside of Wemby and Scoot? Finally Walker and Doug debate which contract players have the most to gain the rest of the way. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Charlotte Hornets recorded their first win post LaMelo Ball fractured right ankle ending the Knick's win streak at 9. Gordon Hayward nearly posts a triple double and Kelly Oubre hits big shots down the stretch. Was this one of Mark Williams' worst performances since entering the starting lineup? Finally, Doug brings the mock drafts. Follow & Subscribe to the Locked On Hornets Podcast on these platforms  🎧 Apple https://bit.ly/lohapple  🎧 Spotify https://bit.ly/lohspotify  🎧 Audacy https://bit.ly/lohaudacy  🎧 Stitcher https://bit.ly/lohstitcher  🎧 Amazon https://bit.ly/lohamazon  📲 Follow Locked On Hornets on Twitter Locked On Hornets https://twitter.com/LockedOnHornets Walker Mehl https://twitter.com/WalkerMehl Doug Branson https://twitter.com/DougBransonLOH  📺 Follow Locked On NBA: https://linktr.ee/lockedonnba  Get Doug's gamenotes, special articles and a podcast on Hornets history at the Every Hornets Boxscore substack: everyhornetsboxscore.com  📢 Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors! | Offers from our sponsors: lockedonpodcasts.com/offers Built Bar Built Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKEDON15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order. PrizePicks First time users can receive a 100% instant deposit match up to $100 with promo code LOCKEDON. That’s PrizePicks.com – promo code; LOCKEDON LinkedIn LinkedIn Jobs helps you find the qualified candidates you want to talk to, faster. Post your job for free at LinkedIn.com/LOCKEDONNBA FanDuel Make Every Moment More. Place your first FIVE DOLLAR bet to get ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS in Free Bets – win or lose! Visit Fanduel.com/LockedOn today to get started FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) #Hornets #LaMelo #LaMeloBall #CharlotteHornets #NBA #MichaelJordan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

The Charlotte Hornets continue to struggle offensively without LaMelo on the floor, but is that the only reason? How much would DSJ's presence in the starting lineup help the offense along with Mark Williams? Finally the guys play Stangin' or Clangin' and listen to Steve Clifford discuss defense. Follow & Subscribe to the Locked On Hornets Podcast on these platforms  🎧 Apple https://bit.ly/lohapple  🎧 Spotify https://bit.ly/lohspotify  🎧 Audacy https://bit.ly/lohaudacy  🎧 Stitcher https://bit.ly/lohstitcher  🎧 Amazon https://bit.ly/lohamazon  📲 Follow Locked On Hornets on Twitter Locked On Hornets https://twitter.com/LockedOnHornets Walker Mehl https://twitter.com/WalkerMehl Doug Branson https://twitter.com/DougBransonLOH  📺 Follow Locked On NBA: https://linktr.ee/lockedonnba  Get Doug's gamenotes, special articles and a podcast on Hornets history at the Every Hornets Boxscore substack: everyhornetsboxscore.com  📢 Support Us By Supporting Our Sponsors! | Offers from our sponsors: lockedonpodcasts.com/offers Built Bar Built Bar is a protein bar that tastes like a candy bar. Go to builtbar.com and use promo code “LOCKEDON15,” and you’ll get 15% off your next order. PrizePicks First time users can receive a 100% instant deposit match up to $100 with promo code LOCKEDON. That’s PrizePicks.com – promo code; LOCKEDON LinkedIn LinkedIn Jobs helps you find the qualified candidates you want to talk to, faster. Post your job for free at LinkedIn.com/LOCKEDONNBA FanDuel Make Every Moment More. Place your first FIVE DOLLAR bet to get ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY DOLLARS in Free Bets – win or lose! Visit Fanduel.com/LockedOn today to get started FANDUEL DISCLAIMER: 21+ in select states. First online real money wager only. Bonus issued as nonwithdrawable free bets that expires in 14 days. Restrictions apply. See terms at sportsbook.fanduel.com. Gambling Problem? Call 1-800-GAMBLER or visit FanDuel.com/RG (CO, IA, MD, MI, NJ, PA, IL, VA, WV), 1-800-NEXT-STEP or text NEXTSTEP to 53342 (AZ), 1-888-789-7777 or visit ccpg.org/chat (CT), 1-800-9-WITH-IT (IN), 1-800-522-4700 (WY, KS) or visit ksgamblinghelp.com (KS), 1-877-770-STOP (LA), 1-877-8-HOPENY or text HOPENY (467369) (NY), TN REDLINE 1-800-889-9789 (TN) #Hornets #LaMelo #LaMeloBall #CharlotteHornets #NBA #MichaelJordan Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices