In this conversation, Tom Rundel and Anthony Smith explore the complexities of personal and political transitions, the challenges of community organizing, and the contrasting images of God in contemporary society. They discuss the implications of Christian nationalism, the true nature of the Kingdom of God, and the essence of revival as a transformative force for social justice. The dialogue emphasizes the importance of grassroots movements and the hope found in community solidarity amidst political turmoil.takeawaysAnthony moved to Birmingham to care for his mother and seek new career opportunities.His political experience provided encouragement through community impact but also revealed discouragement from corporate influence.Change requires a critical mass of people working together, not just one individual in office.The image of God in Christian nationalism contrasts sharply with the God of compassion and solidarity.Revival is not merely emotional experiences but involves real social and political change.The Kingdom of God is about justice, community, and the reversal of societal norms.Grassroots movements are essential for creating meaningful change in society.Hope can be found in local community efforts and mutual aid networks.Cruelty in politics may awaken a collective consciousness to fight against oppression.The narrative of Christian nationalism is a tactic to maintain power and division.