In this episode of the Liminal Living podcast, Tom Rundel interviews Matt Alexander, who shares insights on the challenges faced by ministry leaders, particularly regarding burnout. They discuss the unique pressures of pastoral work, the importance of emotional well-being, and the mission of the Kineo Center in supporting pastors through personal retreats and sabbaticals. The conversation delves into the four components of burnout: vocational disappointment, internalized expectations, relational injuries, and unregulated emotions, emphasizing the need for pastors to navigate their emotional landscapes and foster healthy relationships within their congregations.