In this episode of Light O’Clock, Caro Guidolin chats with Rafael Lazar, a PhD student in the field of chronobiology at the University of Basel. Rafael studies the real-world effects of light on the pupil. He elaborates on the impact of light on the pupil as he talks us through his remarkable study of pupil measurement under authentic, real-world conditions. Additionally, our guest highlights why current metrics for measuring light may not reflect our non-visual perception of light. Tune in to explore the relationship between light and the human pupil.