Why is it that one needs to find him or herself in an uncertain, uncomfortable situation, in order to bring out the artist inside?

This is a two-in-one podcast, featuring two remarkable guests, Gizelle Batomalaque and Janet Meinke-Lau. Their lives compare and contrast interestingly, but converge at one distinct detail: art.

Find their works here.

Gizelle's Instagram page - @bespectacledpebble

Janet's website - www.janetmeinkelau.com

The thumbnail is a pretty cool species of a snail found at the museum that Gizelle works in (Academy of Natural Sciences, Drexel U).

All music by Ryan Madrid