SummaryIn this episode, Samuel McCulloch interviews Darren from IPOR about interest rates and the IPOR protocol. Darren shares his background in the early days of crypto exchanges and the challenges they faced. They discuss the resurgence of non-monetary transactions on the Bitcoin chain and the potential utility of these transactions. Darren explains the concept of interest rate swaps and how IPOR is making them accessible to retail users. They also touch on the deployment of IPOR on Ethereum and the opportunities for yield trading. The conversation concludes with a discussion on attracting institutional capital and the future plans for IPOR.TakeawaysInterest rate swaps are a significant asset class in traditional finance and play a crucial role in the global debt market.IPOR is making interest rate swaps accessible in DeFi by using a peer-to-pool model and traditional financial models.Retail users can participate in IPOR by providing liquidity and earning fees from the derivative engine.IPOR is targeting both crypto-native firms and traditional institutional players to attract capital and expand its market reach.The future of IPOR includes the development of structured products and integration with other DeFi protocols.Chapters