Originally intended to be the first proper episode of Let's Get Both Ties, this attempted crossover with The Royal Podcast of Oz was more experimental and doesn't quite reflect the format we're now pursuing. However, author Paul Dana is wonderful guest and we appreciate him spending time talking to Jay. So we present the conversations largely unedited, after trying to fix the sound levels and removing background noise.

The original files are on Jay's first streaming laptop which broke, luckily, a YouTube upload of them provided an easy archive.