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Luke Savage (@LukeWSavage) author of The Dead Center and Jacobin staff writer, joins us to talk Trump vs DeSantis as well as the Democrats inability or lack of willingness to politically own the issues of working people.

East Palestine https://jacobin.com/2023/02/biden-trump-visit-east-palestine-ohio-train-derailment

Trump vs DeSantis https://jacobin.com/2023/02/donald-trump-gop-republican-polling-2024-primary-voters