In this episode, Jacob and Casey discuss their feelings and experiences on how so much of the work and impact that leaders make is unseen or goes without credit. They reflect on specific instances in their careers in which they needed to be patient, defer recognition, and suppress their egos or emotions in order to best serve their teams as leaders. The two also discuss how leadership is commonly misunderstood in terms of visibility and the various ways in which it has both downsides and tremendous value that often leads to some of the most meaningful work.