This Rewind episode brings together two conversations about bands refusing to let a familiar sound become a comfortable trap. Guster’s Ryan Miller, speaking with Kyle Meredith in 2016, digs into Evermotion, moving beyond ’90s nostalgia, and reinventing the band through new instruments and studio experimentation, while Phoenix’s Thomas Mars looks back from 2017 on how Italian pop, cryptic English, Bowie, Prince, and getting bored with his own voice shaped Ti Amo. Both arrive at a similar place, making pop music that sounds joyful on the surface while something much stranger moves underneath.

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