This episode features Matt Butcher, CEO of Fermyon and creator of Helm, and Ari Weil from Akamai, as they discuss the evolution of the cloud-native ecosystem. They share their professional origins, highlighting how Kubernetes transitioned from a complex tool for experts to a foundational technology for global enterprises.Part of the conversation focuses on the history of Helm, explaining its growth from a simple hackathon project into a standard package manager. Another part takes on the future of distributed computing, specifically how Akamai is integrating infrastructure as a service to support modern workloads.Lastly, a prediction that the next major industry phase will involve the operationalization of AI, where SREs focus on managing intelligence at the edge rather than in centralized regions.