Ben speaks with wilderness guide  and acclaimed author of books exploring off-the-grid living, Mark Sundeen. Mark is best known for his books, "The Man Who Quit Money", "The Unsettlers", and "Car Camping".  Before you heat up that microwave burrito, consider a cup of tea from herbs you grew in your garden and listen somewhere that enlivens your sense of wonder. This episode is packed with food for the soul that has nothing to do with microwave burritos and everything to do with making room to commune with beauty. (((   )))