Russel Norman left politics when he stepped down as Green Party co-leader ten years ago - but he still has plenty of skin in the game.

In this wide-ranging discussion covering democracy, neoliberalism, the political spectrum, climate change and billionaires, we explore the state of the world - and what Russel believes must happen if the planet is to survive.

The introverted kid from Brisbane, who now leads Greenpeace Aotearoa, never set out to be an activist - but at this critical moment, he’s urging more people to become agitators for change.

This is a fascinating conversation, no matter where you sit on the political spectrum.