Today’s guest is one of Aotearoa's favourite chefs, Al Brown (he's definitely one of my favourites). 

The joy the fish sliders at Depot bring me, the simple brilliance of the Mean Joe Green Best Ugly Bagel which is compulsory whenever I am at Wellington Airport, and don’t even get me started on the chicken sandwich with chicken crackling at the Fed Deli.

Al's story is pretty intriguing. His honesty and vulnerability really moved me in this episode.