Yes the Cardinals won and yes the NFC West remains wide-open and yet, Gunner and Tyler can't help this nagging feeling there is still plenty of work to do. The guys again look back at takeaways from the win over Carolina including some concerning interactions between Kyler Murray and Kliff Kingsbury - why can't these two get on the same page?

Alex from Locked On Cardinals joins the show to talk about what he has liked... and hated through the first four weeks of the season. Tyler brings up the running back room and the wide out units, wondering if the return of Nuke will solve some issues(and if his time in Arizona is coming to an end).

The Philadelphia Eagles loom and it is hard not to draw comparisons with Jalen Hurts who seems to be talking all the right steps forward while the Cardinals find them selves running in quicksand.

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