In this honest conversation, Lisa Fields sits down with Dr. Esau McCaulley to discuss the difficult reality of fallen leaders, public scandals, and the impact they have on those who looked up to them.Drawing from Lisa's book When Heroes Fall, they explore what Scripture teaches about accountability, grace, trauma, healing, and the danger of confusing gifting with character. Together, they wrestle with questions many believers face:• Can someone do genuine good and still cause great harm?• How should Christians respond when trusted leaders fail?• What does biblical accountability actually look like?• How do we process disappointment without losing our faith?This conversation offers a thoughtful framework for navigating grief, disillusionment, and healing while keeping our eyes fixed on Christ—not human heroes.Subscribe for more conversations that help you know what you believe and why you believe it.Support the mission and vision of Jude 3 Project here: https://www.jude3project.org/donateGrab our curriculum here: https://www.jude3project.orgTake an online course that will help you know what you believe and why here: https://learn.jude3project.org/library/