<p>Jessica talks with Elizabeth Shaver who created and founded her own special Pigeon Program. They also discuss Elizabeth&apos;s love for gratitude and how she incorporates that in her daily life.  </p>

Mater Ellen Malcolm

Jess Sayin’ is a podcast where curiosity meets culture. What began as a storytelling space, you can now expect Bravo Breakdown recaps along with occasional travel and shopping vlogs.&nbsp;Jess Sayin' dives into real experiences, meaningful conversations, and the kind of insights that enlighten and inspire. From small‑business owners and artists to mystics and makers of every craft, this show celebrates voices with something to teach, something to share, and something worth saying.&nbsp;Bravo Breakdown covers the latest Bravo TV episodes with Jessica’s real-time impressions, bold opinions, and the special sparkle that only comes from being a Bravo superfan for 20 years.&nbsp;Step into the crystal ball with me for a brand‑new segment on Jess Sayin’ called Oracle Stories — an intuitive lens on pop‑culture, true‑crime mysteries, and whatever else I find interesting enough to question beyond logic. Oracle Stories is exclusively on my YouTube channel.&nbsp;