I thought I lost this episode. It was one of the first interviews I did with my good friend Thomas. I want to introduce you to him. 

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John Grilliot

During the pandemic I was fired from my job in hospitality (2 days before surgery, while my wife was pregnant with my 3rd child). I am asking my most interesting friends if they have any advice of what I should be when I grow up all while doing something creative that is both fun and terrifying. It beats driving Uber and selling a pyramid scheme?