In the 4th episode of the podcast I interviewed my friend B.J. Eakin at his house. This was originally released on Tuesday, December 24, 2013 at Jeff Grant's Evolving Podcast is available on SoundCloud, iTunes, Stitcher, Spotify and Google Play Music. For information on how YOU can help keep this podcast alive please visit https://www.patreon.com/evolvingpodcastThanks!