Leaving politics aside, how enjoyable was the leaders debate last night and are such debates worthwhile? Should points be awarded for zingers, and should the overall loser be slimed? To discuss Laurence Mackin is joined in studio by Hugh Linehan and Patrick Freyne. In part two Laurence speaks with music producer Ian Brennan about his new project I Have No Everything Here, a Grammy-nominated album recorded by inmates of a maximum security prison in Malawi.