In our most contentious debate episode yet, Dmitry and John get into it over whether French President Macron was wrong in his remarks about the desirability of Europe moving away from a dependence on the US and toward 'Strategic Autonomy', the very different optics of his and Commissioner Ursula von der Leyen simultaneous visits and the implications for Taiwan.

We also cover:

The recent leaks of US intelligence on DiscordThe first direct talks between Saudi and Houthi representatives in YemenChinese naval exercises in the Taiwan Strait

About the show:

International, Intrigue is the show where two former diplomats (Dmitry Grozoubinski and John Fowler) and the people they know break down the big stories in international news.

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