Ryan and Clarkey welcome back longtime journalist and umpire, Jim Cressman, and Gaming News Canada's Steve McAllister, who officiated hockey at many levels for years.

The guys discuss Angel Hernandez, the state of pro umpiring, NHL officiating in playoffs vs. regular season, player's associations becoming more involved and much more.

Also, the abuse being hurled at young up and coming officials is touched on, including what that abuse is doing to our officiating availability in all sports, with numbers dwindling.

Finally, everyone shares a Conway Furniture Couch Potato of the Week, as Ryan nominates all young officials coming up and Clarkey gives love to one of his former softball players.

Brought to you by Conway Furniture, Larry Hudson's Chevrolet, Buick and GMC, and in part by the Listowel Squash Courts.

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