This week, Ryan and Chris start by breaking down the insane Matt Chapman trade for the Jays and how it helps them, and discuss the Leafs, their goalies, trade scenarios, and preview the trade deadline in the NHL.

Then, Ryan is joined by the authors of "Loving Sports When They Don't Love You Back", Kavitha A. Davidson and Jessica W. Luther. Kavitha is a former Athletic writer and hosted The Lead podcast for them, and you can catch her on Real Sports on HBO. Jessica is a lifelong writer and has had her work appear in ESPN, The New York Times, and many more. She also hosts the Burn It All Down podcast.

You can buy their awesome book right here: https://www.chapters.indigo.ca/en-ca/books/loving-sports-when-they-dont/9781477313138-item.html

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