In this episode, Hilary talks to the writer Danielle Dutton, who is co-founder, editor, and designer of Dorothy, a publishing project. Subjects include feminist structures and practices in publishing, the patriarchies of the aughts, social media, new books by Amina Cain and Giada Scodallero, the meanings of “small,” success and going on, moving the books out of your basement. In the conversation we celebrate Danielle’s early books Attempts at a Life and SPRAWL—find all her work here, and you’ll want to read this recent story.(We mention a profile of the writer Nell Zink that appeared in the New Yorker, and its manner of describing small presses. The profile in question is this one, but actually the New Yorker used this same move twice.) Published March 2, 2023.