She’s Steven and he’s Holly. We love the fluidity of our show so we bring you the podcast from our dedicated podcasting room. Environment is so important for creativity! Holly’s been having nightmares from true crime pods, we go deep on ghosts and spirits and our experiences. We share some stories of construction with odd materials, have a conversation about guests and growth and close with a cat story. This week is sponsored by Holly! Check out Kiona, the new trainer at her gym on Instagram @kionakay