On this episode of the podcast, I talk with Dr. Norman Wirzba about his new book, Love’s Braided Dance: Hope in a Time of Crisis. It’s a conversation about the nature of hope, especially in the midst of darkness, where no hope can seem to be found, and how learning to love moves us forward. Among the topics we discuss:Why asking "what gives you hope?" may not be the best question and why "what do you love" is a better oneWhy it is so important that hope reckons with evil in its most disheartening formsWhere joy might be found in the midst of the brokenness of the worldHow we can fight the impulse of paralysis or exhaustionThe importance of recognizing our interdependence within creationWhat it means to say that love is "improvisational" and a "dance"Get the book: https://yalebooks.yale.edu/book/9780300272659/loves-braided-dance/