This episode is an extra special one! It features my conversation with Deborah Van Aken, PhD (spoiler alert, she's also my mom). Debbie shares some memories from her time getting her psychology PhD in the 80's. We talked about how different some things were but also how some things just haven't changed! She shares advice for managing a relationship, working, and also studying all at once without feeling guilty about doing one thing instead of another. Growing up with my mom having her PhD was definitely one of the reasons I pursued one myself so it was pretty cool to hear her story, including some details I had never heard before! I hope you enjoy!

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