We're making this show during the pandemic. It got us thinking: Who would choose to make infectious disease their life's work? And why? So, we called Dr. Céline Gounder who advised President Biden's transition team about COVID-19. Then later, we learn about a Black doctor who revolutionized how we use blood plasma today.

You can hear more from Dr. Gounder on her podcasts, EPIDEMIC and AMERICAN DIAGNOSIS.

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