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In this special edition, Patty takes a trip to Jan Gaylord’s beautiful, fragrant garden. She and Jan banter back and forth on major topics like depression, love, isolation, and finding peace all while living with pain. There are birds chirping, the sounds of water running, and the occasional bark from one of her adorable dogs, wanting her to stop giving Patty so much attention. Please enjoy the inspiring and powerful force known as Jan.



