Swindle has come far from his days experimenting with grime, funk and dubstep, but he still carries the craft of a jazz musician. In this conversation with Nicolas-Tyrell Scott, from the Town Hall conversations, Swindle talks about how he wrote a track with Kojey Radical, seeing more grime on mainstream TV, the different methods in writing for TV in Candice Carty-Williams' show Champion, and how he's never stopped learning.

Recorded Wednesday 28 Jun 2023 at the ICA in London.

Featuring Swindle and Nicolas-Tyrell Scott

Recorded by Ben Moon

Edited by Justin Tam

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